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so i guess i should chime in here...im jewish because my mom is russian,german and polish which means alot of my distant family tree was burned off by the nazis in world war two. my father however is italian,welsh,and english with roman catholic background. i was a bad kid........hahaha i was thrown out of hebrew school, which would have led to my bar mitzva ,long before it happened so i dont know what i am........ha no i do know what i am..........AN AMERICAN BY DEFINITION AND FUCKIN PROUD OF IT
AHHH AMERICA........LAND OF THE FREE???.....LAND OF OPPORTUNITY????.....FREE OF TYRANNY????......
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE THEY ARE TURNING OUR COUNTRY INTO EUROPE RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.
IF THIS WASNT THE GREATEST SYSTEM AND COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE
OUR BLOODLINES WOULDNT HAVE SAVED THEIR WHOLE LIVES TO RIDE IN THE BELLY OF AN OLD BOAT
TRAVELLING FOR WEEKS,SOMETIMES MONTHS JUST TO HAVE A CHANCE TO START OVER HERE IN THE
GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BY DESIGN AAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEERRRRRIIIIICCCCCAAAAAA
SORRY I GUESS I WENT OFF ON A LITTLE RANT THERE BUT LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely wrong
GodBlessFiji said:Well. It has to be ethnicity, not creed. Cuz as far as i know, jews dont believe in Jesus as a savior etc. and do not celebrate Christmas (or do they?). :)
so i guess i should chime in here...im jewish because my mom is russian,german and polish which means alot of my distant family tree was burned off by the nazis in world war two. my father however is italian,welsh,and english with roman catholic background. i was a bad kid........hahaha i was thrown out of hebrew school, which would have led to my bar mitzva ,long before it happened so i dont know what i am........ha no i do know what i am..........AN AMERICAN BY DEFINITION AND FUCKIN PROUD OF IT
AHHH AMERICA........LAND OF THE FREE???.....LAND OF OPPORTUNITY????.....FREE OF TYRANNY????......
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE THEY ARE TURNING OUR COUNTRY INTO EUROPE RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES.
IF THIS WASNT THE GREATEST SYSTEM AND COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE
OUR BLOODLINES WOULDNT HAVE SAVED THEIR WHOLE LIVES TO RIDE IN THE BELLY OF AN OLD BOAT
TRAVELLING FOR WEEKS,SOMETIMES MONTHS JUST TO HAVE A CHANCE TO START OVER HERE IN THE
GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BY DESIGN AAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEERRRRRIIIIICCCCCAAAAAA
SORRY I GUESS I WENT OFF ON A LITTLE RANT THERE BUT LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So please, enlighten me. As far as i know Jews celebrates Chanuka instead of Christmas. And Chanuka is something very very different from and have nothing to do with Christmas. Correct me if im wrong.
Alexbot said:Absolutely wrong
GodBlessFiji said:Well. It has to be ethnicity, not creed. Cuz as far as i know, jews dont believe in Jesus as a savior etc. and do not celebrate Christmas (or do they?). :)
I don't think he's jewish, i jus think he's assumed jewish. know what i mean? like he should be but he's not
jewish is a religioun as christian or muslim they believe in God but not in Jesus nor the Prophet Mohammed
I am a Muslim I believe in every religioun Allah sent to us and every prophet he sent us
my point proven with his silent night video... if he were to categorize himself, it would be jewish (bc of his parents),
I wish the old board was still available, so I didn't feel the need to rewrite some of this. But, I want to clarify some things, since everyone (including most Jews) are usually confused by the whole 'Jewish' concept. Yes, Judaism is a religion. BUT, to be Jewish does not necessarily mean one practices Judaism. Actually, more and more often it does not. The orthodox Jews may of course would not agree, because they believe one has to follow Judaism strictly and/or be born of a Jewish mother to be a Jew. But, that's not where I'm going with this. There are many reasons one can and IS a Jew, w/out practicing Judaism. Since the beginning of time, Jews were annexed from THEIR nation (thus, there are Jews that are from the eastern European Countries, Middle Eastern countries, American Jews, etc.), and to further complicate the matter, they were often persecuted for practicing Judaism, so many converted to the religion of the land they then lived in, and/or practiced no religion, etc, yet they retained as much of their cultural/ethnic Jewish identity as possible, making it an ethnicity/nationality for many Jews, just as Italian, Irish, English, etc. is considered ethnicities for Americans (when Americans ask each other -knowing we're Americans- what we are, we respond, Italian, Irish, English, Polish, Scottish, and/or whatever ethnicity describes the ethnicity/nationality of our descendants that originally came here to the USA). The Jew's original nation was what is now considered Israel, and since Israel became a nation again (just over half a century ago), all 'Jews' can actually get citizenship in Israel (either by proving ancestry, or proving conversion). We American 'Jews' can actually hold dual citizenship in Israel and in the USA if we wanted to, since our original nation is finally a nation, once again. On a side note, Jews living in Palestine/Israel were always the people considered to be/called Palestinians, until those now considered Palestinians stole the name, when Israel became a nation...but, I digress.
Being Jewish could also be considered a race, due to those of Jewish descent being genetically predisposed to certain diseases that others are not (such as Tay-Sach's disease), among other reasons, just as those of African descent are genetically predisposed to certain diseases that others are not (such as Sickle-Cell Anemia).
My mother's family were Jews from Russia and Poland, and possibly Romania and other places. While I grew up, my mother was a non-practicing Jew. My father's family was from Italy and Sicily. While I grew up, he was a non-practicing Catholic. I never went to a synagogue, except once (I believe...could have been more, but I don't recall) for a funeral. And, I only went to a Catholic church a handful of times growing up (for funerals, and to take children I babysat to their church). We 'celebrated' Hanukkah AND Christmas in a non-religious way, and we (my brother and I) were not brought up in ANY religion, at all. However, I AM a Jew...there are things/ways (a culture) that I gained from my mother's parents (even though they didn't practice Judaism while I was growing up) that I know make me undeniably Jewish (not JUST because I was born from a 'Jewish' mother, which would make me a Jew, according to Jewish law), just as the traditions/ways/culture I gained from my father's side unmistakably makes me Italian/Sicilian. However, I do NOT practice Judaism (NOR Catholicism), but identify myself as a Christian, having chosen a relationship with Jesus, as an adult. This does not make me less a Jew , just as it does not make me less Italian. ;) So, I'm an Italian AND Jewish, American Christian (are your heads spinning, yet? lol).
For the old boardies, I'm sorry if I inadvertently may have caused some of the confusion about Aaron's being Jewish. When I asked him, years ago, I was really asking from an ethnic/nationality standpoint, and maybe mistakenly thought that would be understood by others, particularly due to how he answered. I remember saying that he was surprised that I asked, "So, your Polish, German, and Russian relatives are Jewish, right?" after his telling me his ethnic background. He respond that those relatives were in fact Jewish, but he was clearly surprised that I correctly assumed/asked this, and it also seemed clear to me that although he knew he was of Jewish descent, he didn't seem to consider himself religiously a Jew. I thought I explained that, but may have assumed it was understood, instead. So, again, if I was part of anyone's confusion about that, I'm sorry.
@Aaron: Maybe you weren't so much a 'bad' kid, but that ADD maybe had something to do w/your getting kicked out? ;) You probably would have been kicked out of the open-classroom grammar school I attended, too, considering lol.
ETHNOCENTRICM: "is the tendency to believe that one's ethnic or cultural group is centrally important, and that all other groups are measured in relation to one's own. The ethnocentric individual will judge other groups relative to his or her own particular ethnic group or culture, especially with concern to language, behavior, customs, and religion. These ethnic distinctions and sub-divisions serve to define each ethnicity's unique cultural identity."
Why don't you think God exists?
Nima said:my point proven with his silent night video... if he were to categorize himself, it would be jewish (bc of his parents), but he isn't hardcore religious by any means... kinda like me. my parents aren't religious at all but people from their country are muslim so i'm assumed muslim, but i celebrate christmas (even though i'm not christian, nor do i believe in jesus... or god for that matter.)
so, yeah kinda weird to know he's jewish and sang that song, but it's what i expected. it was awesome too lol
Nima said:I don't think he's jewish, i jus think he's assumed jewish. know what i mean? like he should be but he's not
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